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The Pastor to Pioneer Podcast

Honest conversations with pastors and leaders who are pioneering simpler, more relational expressions of church — and what it took to get there.

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Pastors at different stages of the journey — sharing what it actually looks like to pioneer.

Who You'll Hear

Every Guest Is on the Journey

The Pastor to Pioneer podcast doesn't feature outside experts or theoretical commentators. Every guest is a pastor or former pastor who is personally walking — or has walked — the road from institutional ministry to pioneering a simpler, more relational way of following Jesus.

Some guests are mid-transition, still processing the disorientation of leaving a role that defined them. Others are years into pioneering, sharing what multiplication of disciples and house churches actually looks like on the ground. All of them are being honest about the cost, the freedom, and what they wish they'd known.

These aren't polished presentations — they're real conversations between people who share the same conviction: that Jesus is worth the risk.

Pastors mid-transition

Sharing what it feels like to step away from the institution before knowing what comes next.

Pioneers already in it

Living out simple church in homes and neighborhoods and watching disciples multiply.

Honest about the cost

No sugarcoating — guests talk openly about what pioneering costs, and why it's worth it.

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